But i didnt get a receipt for my request submission. Thanks for writing in. hello there, i am Lily from Mongolia. Otherwise, you should call the Portugal Embassy in the U.S. to ask about this officially: http://portugal.usembassy.gov/. I do know NL shut down, so it might be able to save you some time. Will I have problems exiting eventhough I have a permit that hasnt expired? Did someone say something to you? But its just as illegal to stay in Europe as it is for someone to stay in the U.S. beyond their touristic purpose. So now becuase of this stupid mistake i made by over staying i am not allowed back in spain for 5 years. I suggest you go home and apply for everything from the U.S. Stay date: 22.03.19 to 31.04.19 40Days But, believe me, when you are entered intobthe SIS it sticks. I am an indian national who lives in uk on a work visa. But, i was wrong and i got stopped by Immigration officer. Or do you think I could have a low chance of getting caught. I want to stay for 20 days. unscathed. I appreciate any advice you have! Your best bet is to get home to your country, or go talk to someone at your university who might have some information or lawyer help from the school. The thing is, Im studying in Spain on Erasmus Programme since September, I had 6-months student visa and it expired on 18th of March. Secondly, if you were to fly into the UK, youd have to be outside of Schengen for 90 days solid in order for you to re-enter for 90 days. I walk into Iceland got a stamp, came back to the airport and got a out going stamp. So Ive basically overstayed my visa for close to 2 years now. Because I talked to the U.S. Consulate in Warsaw and they said the way Ive been doing it is ok, (just leaving Poland to another country, not necessarily leaving the Schengen area) and that they never had anybody contact them with the situation of them being banned/fined. Letter from Laura about overstaying visa in Spain: I do not have a question as such, just wanted to briefly tell you my experience of overstaying. Anyway, do you see any potential options for us? I also had my passport stamped. Thanks for the reply, Lindsey. They can take a few weeks or months to process depending, and you cannot work or literally do anything until you have it. I never knew new that I have to first travel to Italy before I could travel to Spain or any schengen countries. However, when I submitted the visa application, the officer (mistakenly) counted 90 days from my last entry (may) and told me I have to leave by 14th August. He got accepted to a basketball academy in Spain and had to leave in a hurry to get there for the start in January this year (and as it was holidays and all the NZ/Spanish embassies were closed) so I sent him there as I knew NZ had a bilateral agreement with many of the countries in the EU that meant he could do 90/180 in each of them. Period. Hi Lindsey, Thanks for stopping by with your question. Ive sent several emails to the relevant Romanian ministry asking for clarification and have received no response. They can see all the history of your previous visas if they actually look into it, so yes, they can see if it was canceled. Sorry for the late response. Please, make feel better and told me I have nothing to be afraid of , Hey there, Raaf! I have sent a reply email to the officer explaining my situation with the flight and i attached the original flight ticket but it gives me no hope to know that Ive broken the law here and it can jeopardize things for me from now:(. Im Jackie from Mexico and Ive seen a similar situation in your blog but when you replied I was kind of confused by the answer. Although she did overstay and was not yet punished for it, it is my impression that her summation of her experience and advice to other travelers is right on. I realize that this is probably a repeat question but am stressing so have to ask! for several reasons i need to go back to the US for the winter, but i want to avoid a ban or detection for te obvious reason of coming back to my home here. As ever though, decisions on border issues remain with national governments within the EU. Some countries track their entries and exits via scanning, but all countries do not share each others entries and exits. And now, with the refugee crisis, I know they are a bit stricter with their borders. Hello! I did not enter the Schengen through France, but through another Schengen country. Yes, I absolutly think that was the reason why the visa was denied. Whats up, Henri! I am hoping to fly back to Spain next week and am terrified that I will be turned away upon entry. I say do a couple things: Call the Office Franais de lImmigration et de lIntgration (OFii). So I left. If you have everything from the Embassy in writing, I would have it all printed when you eventually make your exit. Im Indonesian, i had overstayed for 16 days in Dsseldorf Airport as i missed understood about 90 days (visit visa) duration stay within 2 years. I am living in Austria with a Visum D, and it expires on April 30th. Hope youre having a great time! That is so kind of you! Thanks for taking the time to write in. I have a difficult situation, I hope you can give me some advice. Fines or Expulsion - Citizens Advice Bureau Spain Consequences of Overstaying in Spain? Hi Lindsey what a day, I went to the investigation room, after that, they put me back to the next flight to Dubai, no good at all. I am an American who has overstayed in Hungary, about two years. I think you should try flying out of either Brussels or Amsterdam (not Germany) my suggestion is to have all of the papers proving you were waiting for authorities to process the visa so they can see a timeline. I have a piece of paper stating I should leave by latest, the 14th that I can show if I need to. However, the 10 days visa validity is too short for my planned itinerary. You will need to carry your old passport with you for your appointment for proof of the student visa. Within the time I have been in Spain I have left and entered the Schengen States multiple times and have all the stamps. Hello Fadilla! I have found many threads on the internet showing that many people are also concerned about some of these laws as travelers. Hope you are staying safe during this time. And I know this is not your focus (nor the focus of this blog post) but do you know if the opposite is true for Europeans with the ESTA visiting the USA. Thankfully, I had no problem exiting, but Im not sure if this is because my entry and exit out of Schengen were different, I entered through Iceland and exited from Amsterdam or if it was just overlooked. Your first ordeal was strange because technically the job should be setting you up with the work permit, and they know how long those processes take. Your case is different due to your granted extension and your awaiting nationality. You should have applied for a Schengen visa extension before your current one expired. My question is would i face any problem or rejected visa if i want to apply again to poland after this 6 month expired and removed ??? Passport scanned, stamped, boom. I have been traveling a lot for work this year, and it appears that I overstayed 2 days on a previous visit. Alsoalso, my 180 day tourist period would have technically started the day my last student visa expired, which would have gone until a few days ago so technically I should be entering a new 180 day period. Are you planning on being there longer than 90 days again? Best of luck and happy holidays! Hello, I happened to randomly stumble across a Shengen-visa-calculator the other day and popped in my dates, just to confirm what I thought was clearly true: HOWEVER, it seems I did not take into account that date of arrival and date of departure count towards the 90 days. Hi Lindsey, I overstayed 10 years ago in Italy for over a year. As the government website says, with the D visa, you can additionally move within the territory of other Schengen states for up to three months within a half-year period. Will I have difficulty entering the country? You wouldnt have trouble traveling within Schengen unless there was a reinforced border check, which France actually might have until April 30th, but that is only if you re-enter France. Hello! I would make 100% sure you have no entry stamps anywhere from your Christmas trip in Schengen. If you dont know what that is, I have a blog about it: How to Travel in Europe Legally with Bilateral Agreements. Heres a link: https://www.eda.admin.ch/countries/georgia/en/home/visa-&-entry-to-switzerland/visa--entry-to-switzerland-and-residency/visas/work-visa.html. Anyway, I flew in Portugal for my Master studies in 2017, my visa expired January 2018 (Im holding a Philippine passport). But I spend a lot of time in the Schengen area and wouldnt want any trouble there. They might be able to guide you further. Since you are responsible for the child and its passport rules, they could issue you a fine for not organizing this before hand. Best of luck! Your visa should say all the rules. They may look at your last exit stamp and tell you to move on. Best of luck! My wife (Irish) and I (Greek) are both EU nationals; however, our baby boy is a Canadian citizen. By the way. My strategy for finding the work you want to do. I think you should apply for the reunification, and see what happens from there. Well, I agree with much of what you said here except for what the US does to overstayers. When I again demand that he put it well he is already angry and tells me that if I do not want to pay a very high fine I should leave and go my way. I write about that here: Determine Schengen Visa Validity vs Days. (Got married and have 2 kids) I was so scared to meet the police officer at the security checkpoint cus I read all the Schengen visa rules. Other people have advised her to fly to Croatia through Morocco! Happy travels! Usually, extension visas for tourists are only for medical reasons which would allow the person not to travel, and requires a doctor letter. Have you thought about leaving from a non-Schengen countryas long as you dont have a layover again in Schengen! I am only consider one month visa and not seen the duration of the stay period. I came to Spain on a 1 year student visa which has now expired and I have over stayed. I say apply for it and hope for the best! Best of luck! Thank you in advance, Hey Yazid, congrats on all your schooling, but you took a really big risk of 1- getting deported, 2- paying a large fine and 3 being banned. Very correct, just because I have not heard of someone not being allowed back into the Schengen Zone on a tourist visa after previously overstaying does not mean that it has not happened before. My studies will end this October and I want to get back home to Macau, I just want to prepare myself for the situation most likely to happen when I go through the immigration at the airport.. Hey Jo thats rough. 12-day overstay. If you are planning of moving to Europe, you should try for the German passport for sure! Im very angry with this Greek lawyer who lied to us. I am totally new to Schengen visa, ended up getting a visa with allowed duration of 10 days while our actual trip will last 13 days. But I would not worry too much about it, as I highly doubt that you will be hassled too much. I didnt even know Id overstayed. A month later I went back, entered through Belgium and was allowed in without any hesitations. I wish you luck! Travellers from a non-EU country arriving in the EU can only stay for a certain period of time without a visa. You didnt mention what country your passport is from? Usually you must have a passport valid for 6 months to travel. No, they shouldnt cancel your visa for no reason. Hey Conor! We have registered for the marriage already and got an Appointment for Wedding on July 27. What happens if I overstay in Germany? Hey Mido thanks for sharing your story. Lindsey! Question is will I be able to travel to other Schengen states like Denmark or Norway? They then told me I would know by post if the judge will decide if I am guilty of a crime or not. Is it going to be a problem in the future ? I fly out from scheduled to fly out from Stockholm Sweden on the 4th of Jan. Buuut, that is not advisable, as that looks super sketchy to any border guard, and its still breaking the 90/180 day rule youre supposed to follow on a tourist visa. Also, is that any possibilty to solve it? There are a lot of direct flights from non-Schengen to non-Schengen, so she doesnt have to make some convoluted flight path. I am neither EU nor US/Canada citizen and I normally need a Schengen visa to travel for tourism purposes. I COMPLETELY overlooked the fact that everything is now computerized and that they could scan my new passport and see all the data from my old passportand see that Ive overstayed. Due to refugee crisis, its been a bit tough and they definitely flip through your stamps and scan your passport. Its not a good idea to purposefully overstay!! I am citizen of Nepal & i came to Schengen area(czech republic) on 90 days, tourist visa in May 2017. Hi Lindsey, What would be the best country to leave Europe to avoid a posible ban to enter in the future? My question here, I Wanna go back there because I have contacts there who are making me an offer to work there, While i was in Poland , i got offer for job before my visa expire, so i apply for Residency permit in Poland on the basis of work,before expiry of my 90 days tourist visa. The BOE legislation from May 2020 related to the first state of alarm is no longer in force, a source from the UK Embassy in Madrid told The Local Spain. Hello, i would like to know do you know what can happend with me without visa in France, i should leave the country in November and ill do it in May after the season of basketball ( i play here, but my club didnt make visa for me) Im not EU,Im from Serbia. However, I wish to stay for at least 20 days. I paid the fine and Then arrange a bus / coach journey to France from Dover to Calais ( using sea France ) .They is no passport control at all when you enter France and retun to the u.k in the same way before your 6 month ends. Hey! Or they catch you, question you, and let you go. Sally, here's some useful info, it sure doesn't look like it's taken lightly! Chill and take a deep breath. Portugal is a Schengen country as well. You might be able to get an extension while you are waiting (you can only apply for a long-stay extension while your current visa is legal or about to expire). You should definitely pay the fine. Ah! okay. So my fiance is thinking that that sounds like an ok option but it sounds awful to me; I run a business and have clients in Europe and want everything to be on the up-and-up, not trying to hide and lay low for three years (which is why youd think Id have researched things beforehand!). If you said the expiration date was 2 days BEFORE you left and you were only granted 22 days, that means it was most likely a single-entry visa, and you must apply for a new business visa. Yes, she has options from outside of Germany. Any suggestions and guidance will be greatly appreciated. Am I technically overstaying? i dont know how reply here. I have a very weird situation I have been traveling to Europe for the past 10 years I am an Egyptian citizen and I have been holding schengen visas without any problems 5 years multiple entries all was fine and I was always taking care about 90/180 rule but then my last visa I got was issued on 02-July-2019 valid till 01-January-2020 C type multiple entries but in the duration of stay section it didnt say 90 days it said 45 days Why would this way be worse than flying directly out of Athens? Hey Lindsey! Did you receive any type of copy of the paper? I just wanna share my situation, technically I have a permit to stay here in finland while my working permit is on process (not totally permit I guess but it says in the letter that I can stay in finland legally however they mention that it is not valid travelling abroad). This puts us about 2.5 weeks over the limit. Should I avoid leaving Spain or will I not have an issue traveling to other countries in the Schengen region? So no, I dont think you can come back to stay in France (or anywhere in Schengen) if you get married. Hey Nicole! You can see my latest blog post here on that. When I came back to the UAE, they checked the visa in my old passport and stamped the new passport. It was for 22 days. Long story short, I ended up switching host families and had to wait for a new employment paper and by the time we went to the authority in Austria I had overstayed my tourist visa and they said I had to apply from the U.S. If you have overstayed by one day or 8 months, the fine could still be the same depending on the officer. You could have issues traveling around Schengen if they have reinstated some borders (like Sweden/Denmark). Swiss Embassy, Dubai: +971 2 627 46 36 Hey Winston, this thread is still appearing in my email somehow, and I happened to look at it today and noticed your situation is really similar to mine was, so I thought Id chime in. Will you get paid to do this? You can use my Schengen Calculator if you need to calculate the stays: First of all, I would like to thank you for your amazing work Lindsey. This involves me being illegal here for 9 months. It is so often that we only see questions, and never hear the stories of those who got caught or dodged the bullet by a hair. We will act with proportionality, he said. Is that in Spain or Slovakia? Hi Andrew! However he did take a photocopy of your passport, which I find a bit alarming. I know I am a delinquent and have undoubtedly broken the law, but I would really love to minimize my chances of getting fined or banned! A visa is set into place to tell a person how long they are allowed to be within a country/Schengen. (as far i know they apply for schengen visas, but not sure?!) Hey Lindsey, thank you for your reply, I was planning to going back from Brussels but some of people suggested to going back from another country is more safe since I overstay. Hey Puneet. This can be levied along with other penalties and the amount Hope this helps! Is it a possibility to return to the US, apply for a new passport and return with a clean passport without stamps? In the study, first reported by the Irish Times, respondents were asked the hypothetical question: Imagine there were a referendum in [your country] tomorrow about membership of the European Union. I wonder if you would advise how to use the calculator, as well as take a look at my dates below, and let me know if it would work. I wouldnt say your problem is with SIS, since that is usually for criminal activity and not for overstaying visas. flights cancelled due to coronavirus restrictions. That is why I am trying to help people avoid this situation by educating on visas available and consequences. i took my flight and got a layover in istanbul and didnt had any problem there too. If your visa is denied, you will most likely need to show proof of application and denial letter to any border guards when you exit if they ask (which would need to be immediate if you get a denied decision). I flew into Austria on 2nd February this year and since then have been flying in and out (my bf lives here so I visit a lot). Hey Greg! British visitors to France who stay more than 90 days in 180 without a visa risk a 198 fine when they leave the country. I called the office in Germany and they said they would most likely close the investigation and that to not worry about it. Also I dont ever remember my passport being scanned or my passport number being typed into a system when I entered through Spain both times and me and my wife were both over 90 days and didnt even wait 90 days and they stamped us both back in. So my suggestion is to get a direct flight from Poland > U.S./non-Schengen country, and if Polish border police stop you, just say you are under the bilateral and make sure you have proof of exit/entrance to a non-schengen country every 90 days. Be warned people, and I am an older guy 55 at the time and very normal looking. Your email address will not be published. Hey Lindsey Im Jackie from New Zealand i have a question, so im currently travelling in Europe and im leaving to go back on the 4th of Jan i just realised that i will be overstaying by 2 days. If 90 days won't be enough, it's not hard to get a tourist visa to lengthen your stay (I believe they're good for six months at a time). So make sure your flight is out of Schengen on or before April 28th if that is your 110 day mark. Its official too , Hi Lindsey, Just be calm and cool, and make sure you stay out of Shengen for the following 92 days (the added 2 days to make it even). Whats more than likely going to happen? I have a type D visa for an internship in Germany as a US citizen do I automatically get a new 90 day Schengen visa after this type D expires? So sorry I missed your story (I was in India with very limited access to internet.) Hello! They informed me that it didnt matter so long as I sent my boarding pass. This would definitely be an easy case to appeal if you are able to provide the evidence to prove the flight was delayed and you had originally booked the correct dates. Hello, I travel to EU a lot, I remember in July 2016, I took a plane from Dubai to Geneva and the border guy in Geneva told me: sorry sir I cant allow you to enter Switzerland, youve exceeded your limits by 2 days!! I am so happy I found this article. Does the company realize they are breaking laws by having you basically overstay your Schengen tourist visa? Also, it might be that you will have to leave Schengen (like fly to UK, Croatia, Turkey) and then re-enter on the au pair visa. My question is if youve overstayed, how long do you have to stay out of Schengen before you can be allowed to reenter? I love the Blue Lagoon . In Hungary where the government has been in conflict with the EU, attachment grew from 60 percent to 70.3 percent. Suppose re-planning is not an option. Best of luck! I overstayed by 2 days because I was sicked and I can not moved or fly then I have to extend my stay. This could definitely be a reason to deny you a work permit if you are sticking around on an expired tourist visa. My Permit of Stay for Italy is also valid until 13th May. So carry that residence permit with you whenever you leave Iceland! Youre doing an amazing thing for so many people around the world! just a little update, i made it back (to the UK) from Hungary with no problems.. to be honest the worst advice i got was from my own Embassy in Budapest (uk consulate) who told me to seek a lawyer and or go to a police station haha. Do you have any update to this? But that ONLY applies to Poland/USA. just to make sure i will ask the uk embassy and see what my position is, if anything i will be travelling back very shortly.. so Im thinking that should solve the problems, it was just my naivety in this instance i shall let you know how it goes, just in case anyone has this experience! Thanks for writing in. If there is a place on the form to explain what happened, I would explain exactly what you wrote here about the flight being cancelled. However, the date is the only part of the stamp which is truly legible. I am currently in the process of renewing the visa with a lawyer in Spain but didnt have time to get an authorization of return before I left. i.e. Now that they got her signature in couple of documents ( not sure which one) and let her board, I need to know if I will get a fine being a sponsor as they did not ask her to pay anything. People just should be aware the info here is great and there are just different rules if you are in Poland, or essentially any other countries. Thank you for such a resourceful blog. I think youll be fine! i decided to stay from 2013-2015 to help him with the finances. the officer scolded me why i overstayed for almost 2 yrs, i didnt saw him scan my passport and he got out from the boot because i presumed that his work time has finished and talked to me at the corner and asked me why, i told him i was from norway because my aupair permit in passport is that from norway, he told me that we should send you back to norway and face jail time, then after a few minutes he gave me my passport and told me that okay this is just a warning so go on your way now and i dont have more time, i must go now too. I didnt consider the expiry date when booking a flight, because it was my last day of work I didnt think I would have to pack up and leave that day. However, as you have bilateral travel agreements with so many countries, you should be fine. Do you think that makes a difference? Moreover, it can not only result in fines, but also bans for future visas. More on that here: http://www.everyoneinbetween.com/2018/02/how-to-travel-in-europe-legally-with-bilateral-agreements/. Take a deep breath That is strange UK never stamped your exit. None of us really know what is to happen after all of this, so thank you for letting us know what the US Embassy said in Romania. I was a student in Geneva for almost 3 years, I left Switzerland in October 2015 and I start working with a Swiss company based in Dubai a month after that, in December 2015 the company asked me to travel to Geneva to follow up with the company head office, so I applied for a tourist multi-entry visa. Please take a look at my Schengen calculator to get a better understanding: Im a US citizen traveling to Europe in May. I was wondering if problems are likely? I have overstay a visa from France in 2016 I stay there about 110 days I planned to go back into london for a week or two with proof of a flight home to NZ but im worried I will be either caught at the spanish airport terminals or the london terminals. I ended my Christmas travels in London and returned to Spain through Valencia. I suggest directly contacting your school administration or the Spanish immigration board that issues your student visas. Was it a single-entry or multi-entry visa? But my visa already expired since may2017, so I decided to going back to my country and officially married there and going back to Belgium again after married. But I am planning to spend just 3 weeks in Nigeria and come back by November 23rd 2019. Hope it works out! During the back to USA leg, I am in compliance regarding the 90 in 180 period. I entered through France (husband is French), so theres no record of me in Greece. Hey! Hey, Lindsey I come across ur site after searching about overstayed visa. Check out most post about what a bilateral travel agreement is: https://www.everyoneinbetween.com/2018/02/how-to-travel-in-europe-legally-with-bilateral-agreements/. Hello! I have 90 days to reapply for my visa within Spain, but I cant do so yet cause they havent given me my post for next year, only a confirmation they I have a position in the Balearic Islands. We dont want our planned next year summer visit to Germany to be jeopardized as well (visa denial etc). In addition we are also planning to get married in sweden before the visa expired and after I go back to the Philippines from Svalbard to process the permanent residency permit after getting maried i Sweden How can I buy iPhone from USA to India Quora? Tell us: How easy is it to move to Spain as a Brit after Brexit? Hi Lindsey, I arrived in Norway on July 5 and am set to depart on October 3, early in the morning. If you were on a working visa in Jan 17, and have been stuck in limbo while you wait for your new work visa to process, then you probably cannot leave France or withdraw your application and still have the right to be in France. Logic, sense, and facts are nice things as long as they dont step on the toes of who we think we are. I would speak with your basketball coach immediately as they do understand these consequences and should be able to help you. Maybe I could marry a friend, or somebody out of convenience. How risky do you think this would be? Ive been living in Germany for about 18 months. You count the days days the moment you go through border control in a Schengen country and ends when you exit a Schengen country. Hey Jay! She wanted to extend her Holiday in Portugal/Lisbon until early November, so she called the SEF (Portugals border control Servico De Estrangeiros e Fronteiras) to make an appointment to extend her 90 day holiday stay, which would officially expire on Oct 10th. Book a meeting Hire the lawyer Was this content helpful? If they fine you for overstaying your visa, then so be it. A few years ago a man posted on this subject. I had no idea by then of 90/180, every single one in Dubai thought that I can spend 90 days in each trip!!! The official websites state that an individual is allowed to stay in the Schengen region but away from the country that issued the residence permit for 90/180 days. Best of luck! Hey Lindsey thanks for replying! Will being married to an Italian change how the immigration treat me when I am leaving to go home? Whats up, Reggie! You will also need to stay out for 90 days once you exit, just to be safe. When you applied, did you tell them your exact travel dates? But, they let me go and did not pay any fine. Would be great to hear from you. I dont know if that has any effect. Would it be okay to stay in croatia for 4 extra days after my schenghen expires? You appear persistant with attempting to learn how to circumvent the LAW so will you please simply go ahead and break the LAW and let us know the results? Even when applying for a new visa, they might deny your visa based on the Schengen ban. There are many people who are living in Schengen zone countries without residence visas. I have Been traveling to Poland many times always on schengen c visa and yesterday I went to apply for a temporary residence in Poland due to I own a company here but I was totally shocked when the inspector checked my visas and found our it been already 92 days so I over stayed not this visa but since I was here before and he went backwards 180days so technically I have been inside schengen zone for 92 days he asked me to call the border security I agree and they came and they were shocked how petty it is because I have all the right documents and I had a company running since 2014 anyhow they investigate me and they gave me 30 days to leave Poland and no fines no nothing my question is if I hire a lawyer do I have any chance in this fight or no, Hey George.
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